Apr 29 11:37:36 Okay, #Perl. I am compiling a list of Great Power Ballads of the Late '80s/Early '90s. Apr 29 11:37:41 I require assistance. Apr 29 11:37:47 oh dear Apr 29 11:38:02 * kismet dons the heavy hair Apr 29 11:38:13 Masque: how far into the 80's does "late 80's" extend? similarly for "early 90's"? Apr 29 11:38:32 lamech: Dunno. Have there been Great Power Ballads since? I can't think of any. Apr 29 11:38:46 I mean, really, I can't think of any before about 1987 either. Apr 29 11:38:53 hm. Apr 29 11:39:11 Masque: Anything new by Aerosmith, I think. But I don't remember when they last made an album. Apr 29 11:39:29 I'm not exactly hip to the new power ballad scene. Apr 29 11:39:55 early: 80-82; mid: 83-86; late:87-89. Maybe. Apr 29 11:39:57 aerosmith made one album in 1992 Apr 29 11:40:09 they've been re-releasing it every few years since then Apr 29 11:40:09 aerosmith isn't power ballad material. Apr 29 11:40:25 A: Too old. B: Aerosmith. C: Not enough 22 year old long blond hair. Apr 29 11:40:31 The point of a power ballad was to get the band laid. Apr 29 11:40:34 I'm thinking of Bryan Adams's "Heaven", for example. But maybe that's not a power ballad. Apr 29 11:40:37 Segar, Foreigner, Apr 29 11:40:40 Steve Tyler's been married forever. Apr 29 11:40:41 Power Ballad? Is that like Styx? Apr 29 11:40:47 sungo: I thought that was the album they released in 1986 that they were reissuing over and over again. Apr 29 11:40:54 Yeah. So for example, Poison's "Every Rose Has It's Thorn" is about the pinnacle of the form. Apr 29 11:40:54 dagbrown: it is possible Apr 29 11:41:09 Masque: "Don't Cry", Guns n' Roses. Apr 29 11:41:15 November Rain Apr 29 11:41:27 every rose has it's thorn is indeed the ultimate power ballad. Apr 29 11:41:31 Oh yes, both of those indeed. Apr 29 11:41:33 * Masque adds to the list. Apr 29 11:41:40 Also, "When The Children Cry" by White Lion. Apr 29 11:41:50 amg.com doesn't recognize the genre "power ballad" Apr 29 11:41:51 Alice Cooper's "Poison" is on the edge. Apr 29 11:41:53 "Doves Cry" by prince may or may not qualify Apr 29 11:41:59 that's my authority on that. :) Apr 29 11:42:10 Anything by Kiss. Apr 29 11:42:18 kismet: well isn't *everything* by Prince meant to get him laid? Apr 29 11:42:29 Two Steps Behind by Def Leppard Apr 29 11:42:37 Styx and Kiss were pre-power-ballad. They may have, erm, laid the groundwork, but.... Apr 29 11:42:38 In Japan, Glay are still doing great power ballads. Apr 29 11:43:05 Also, Love Bites, by Def Leppard. Apr 29 11:43:08 Nazereth "Hair of the Dog" is probably too early. Apr 29 11:43:15 * kismet thinks Apr 29 11:43:21 And anything by Bon Jovi. Apr 29 11:43:37 "Mut..reach... Whitesnake tape" Apr 29 11:43:44 ooo Apr 29 11:43:53 Megadeth's "Almost Honest" would be a power ballad if it were a bit slower. Apr 29 11:45:08 Cinderella, "Don't Know What You've Got 'Til It's Gone" Apr 29 11:45:13 Journey, "Open Arms" Apr 29 11:45:22 GNR, "November Rain" Apr 29 11:45:29 Chicago, "Wish you were here" Apr 29 11:45:30 We already mentioned November Rain. Apr 29 11:45:39 skid row, "I Remember You" Apr 29 11:45:43 Nothing by Chicago could ever be a power ballad. Apr 29 11:45:45 I should be logging you. Apr 29 11:45:47 Tesla, "Love Song" Apr 29 11:45:49 s/you/this Apr 29 11:45:52 Yes, Tesla! Apr 29 11:45:53 Gwar, "The Road Behind" Apr 29 11:45:53 mendel++ Apr 29 11:45:54 Van Halen, "When It's Love" Apr 29 11:45:55 o/~ I should be logging you o/~ Apr 29 11:45:57 * Masque spends a pepsi cap. Apr 29 11:46:00 Does Marillion count? Apr 29 11:46:01 Lita Ford, "Close My Eyes" Apr 29 11:46:04 yeah, that was a big hit. :) Apr 29 11:46:12 Scorpions, "Still Loving You" Apr 29 11:46:14 Garth bro... nevermind. Apr 29 11:46:17 mendel++ # The rare female power ballad? Apr 29 11:46:19 * kismet runs Apr 29 11:46:20 Poison, "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" Apr 29 11:46:21 mendel: I always thought that when Gary Cherone joined Van Halen, there would be some AWESOME power-ballad potential there. Apr 29 11:46:36 Aerosmith, "Crying" Apr 29 11:46:47 But speaking of Gary Cherone: Extreme, "More Than Words" Apr 29 11:46:47 Bryan Adams, "Everything I Do" Apr 29 11:46:49 YES Apr 29 11:46:59 No. Apr 29 11:47:06 He was in the Richard Marx camp. Apr 29 11:47:08 so how does "power ballad" differ from "ballad" Apr 29 11:47:12 Warrant, "Sometimes She Cries" Apr 29 11:47:13 That's just a ballad. Apr 29 11:47:18 merlyn: It's played by bands that can't play a ballad. Apr 29 11:47:24 wow, mendel's on a roll Apr 29 11:47:25 Yes, Warrant qualifies, but sucks. Apr 29 11:47:27 ah yes, "Beth" by Kiss Apr 29 11:47:30 merlyn: A power ballad is typically played by a heavy metal band. Apr 29 11:47:40 Ozzy, "Mama I'm Coming Home" Apr 29 11:47:44 YES Apr 29 11:47:46 ohhh Apr 29 11:47:49 LA Guns, "I Found You" Apr 29 11:47:55 dagbrown: Or a pseudo-metal band formed only to play to 'sum chicks', like Warrant or Whitesnake. Apr 29 11:48:08 Dokken, "Alone Again" Apr 29 11:48:09 Or pretty much any band that starts with a 'W' except for Wilson-Phillips. Apr 29 11:48:16 Motley Crue, "Without You" Apr 29 11:48:22 Aerosmith, "Angel" Apr 29 11:48:25 "Great White" starts with a W by association. Apr 29 11:48:27 this was so my scene in school. Apr 29 11:48:35 Slaughter, "Fly To The Angels" Apr 29 11:48:37 Good god mendel Apr 29 11:48:45 :) Apr 29 11:48:46 When I was in school I listened to Pink Floyd and Metallica. Apr 29 11:48:47 just never saw mendel as the power ballad god type. Apr 29 11:49:03 partially because my class name is really long =) Apr 29 11:49:06 Anthrax, "NFB" :D Apr 29 11:49:17 Mmm. Metallica was good. Apr 29 11:49:20 Oh, Metallica, "Nothing Else Matters" is a classic power ballad. Apr 29 11:49:28 you have to include NFB Apr 29 11:49:30 Then Burton died and they became a country/western band. Apr 29 11:49:36 Even though it's just making fun of Poison. Apr 29 11:49:48 Naw, Metallica only ever did one or two country songs. Apr 29 11:49:57 dagbrown: Their last four albums, you mean? Apr 29 11:50:06 Masque: No, those are GRUNGE Apr 29 11:50:09 Also, haircuts. Apr 29 11:50:14 Night Ranger, "Sister Christian" Apr 29 11:50:19 Is 'grunge' canadian for 'country'? Apr 29 11:50:22 And besides, "St. Anger" is just a skater-punk record. Apr 29 11:50:29 Mmm, Sister Christian may be the very first! Apr 29 11:50:31 Glass Tiger! "Don't Forget Me When I'm Gone" Apr 29 11:50:44 That song rocks a little too hard. Apr 29 11:50:57 REO Speedwagon, "Can't Stop This Feeling" Apr 29 11:51:03 Mr. Big was a band created solely for a single power ballad, so I'm not sure that they qualify. Apr 29 11:51:07 Err... Apr 29 11:51:09 Heart? I can't remember if they did rocky stuff as well. Apr 29 11:51:10 Plus the whole "DADDY, I WANNA BAND!" thing. Apr 29 11:51:10 "Can't Fight This Feeling" Apr 29 11:51:20 My brane nearly garbage-collected that! Apr 29 11:51:29 Heart, "These Dreams" Apr 29 11:51:41 Oh, if we're allowed Heart, then "Alone" is the classic. Apr 29 11:51:41 yeah, Heart had some harder stuff. Apr 29 11:51:45 No, that puts them in the Chicago camp. Apr 29 11:51:58 Rainbow. Apr 29 11:52:04 "Feel Like Makin' Love" is borderline Apr 29 11:52:11 Foreigner, "I Want To Feel What Love Is" Apr 29 11:52:25 Winger, "Headed For Heartbreak" Apr 29 11:52:30 Foreigner's another rock band that only ever had hits with ballads. Apr 29 11:52:46 would Berlin count with "Take My Breath Away"? Apr 29 11:52:56 Hrmm, dunno. Apr 29 11:53:01 not rawkin' enough Apr 29 11:53:07 Final Countdown? Apr 29 11:53:09 Heaven Is A Place On Earth - Belinda Carlisle Apr 29 11:53:13 Final Countdown *has* to work Apr 29 11:53:13 Nah. Apr 29 11:53:14 It certainly has the "power" and the "ballad", but I'm not sure if those combine to make "power ballad" Apr 29 11:53:20 cwest: You left out the Power. Apr 29 11:53:26 ;-) Apr 29 11:53:26 dagbrown: Just like Journey is another rock band that only had hits with ballads, right? :-P Apr 29 11:53:30 mendel: Final Countdown isn't a ballad Apr 29 11:53:30 T'Pau. Apr 29 11:53:34 PerlJam: Right! Apr 29 11:53:36 Cutting Crew, "I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight" Apr 29 11:53:44 Heart's Barracuda would be non-ballad Apr 29 11:53:47 lamech: Power ballads aren't necessarily ballads! Apr 29 11:53:56 All By Myself - Eric Carmen Apr 29 11:53:57 You put on a Speedwagon or a Foreigner record, people go "what's this generic penis-driven rock?" until they get to the ballad and people go "Ohhhh" Apr 29 11:53:59 mendel, they're not? Apr 29 11:54:08 Scorpions, Winds of Change Apr 29 11:54:12 "Africa"! Apr 29 11:54:14 who did that Apr 29 11:54:15 Toto! Apr 29 11:54:15 No Apr 29 11:54:20 Nah, Toto wasn't power. Apr 29 11:54:21 "Africa" is missing the power. Apr 29 11:54:23 Ok. Apr 29 11:54:23 Nothing Compares 2 U - Sineadd O'connor Apr 29 11:54:25 mendel: neither Power nor Ballad! Apr 29 11:54:31 cwest: Maybe. Apr 29 11:54:36 Also: Really bad video Apr 29 11:54:36 "Space Oddity" Apr 29 11:54:38 Rainbow: Since You Been Gone. Apr 29 11:54:41 lamech: What do you believe "Ballad" means here? Apr 29 11:54:46 I'ldDo Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That) - Meatloaf Apr 29 11:54:52 Ooh, Meat Loaf! Apr 29 11:54:52 Oh, everything by Meatloaf. Apr 29 11:54:53 meat loaf is, like, calling me Apr 29 11:54:55 mendel: ballad = slow song, no? Apr 29 11:54:59 lamech: Not... really. Apr 29 11:55:14 It's more elusive than that. Apr 29 11:55:14 mendel: unless we mean it in the folk sense, in which case none of these qualify Apr 29 11:55:15 Any way you slice it... Apr 29 11:55:19 Janie's Got A Gun. Apr 29 11:55:19 What gets me is that the guy who writes Meat Loaf's songs has only written one song in his life and just rearranges it a bit. Apr 29 11:55:22 * mmlj4 rocks out to the chainsaw song Apr 29 11:55:26 Because The Night - Patti Smith Group Apr 29 11:55:27 lamech: no, we mean "Power Ballad". Apr 29 11:55:29 yes! Apr 29 11:55:32 So you get Shania Twain singing Meat Loaf songs, Lita Ford singing Meat Loaf songs... Apr 29 11:55:47 mmlj4: Chainsaw Juggler? Apr 29 11:55:48 oh man Apr 29 11:55:55 canadian female hair guitarist Apr 29 11:55:57 what's her name Apr 29 11:55:57 her name is at least "Natalie". Apr 29 11:56:03 Alannah Myles. Apr 29 11:56:03 hmmm... alannah myles is an ex-Thompson Twin. Apr 29 11:56:05 goddammit, I crewed on a leg of her tour one year Apr 29 11:56:05 mendel: Lee Aaron Apr 29 11:56:06 no! the other one Apr 29 11:56:07 yes! Apr 29 11:56:09 lee aaron Apr 29 11:56:12 lee aaron MUST have one Apr 29 11:56:13 Bitch - Meredith Brooks Apr 29 11:56:17 Don't Speak? Apr 29 11:56:18 o/` 'cause I know what you're saying, and I don't need your reasons o/` Apr 29 11:56:22 Lita Ford just published her autobiography... Apr 29 11:56:27 There are too many Canadian hair-guitar chicks. Apr 29 11:56:33 <_Fud> o/` be a crew slut o/` Apr 29 11:56:37 Love Hurts - Nazareth Apr 29 11:56:54 Later Kate Bush. Apr 29 11:56:58 ?!?! Apr 29 11:57:06 cwest: Nazareth? Did they cover it? Apr 29 11:57:08 Kate Bush turned into a rocker? Apr 29 11:57:24 Or am I thinking of something else? Apr 29 11:57:28 Yeah, she went mental. Apr 29 11:57:31 Wow, I had it backwards. Apr 29 11:57:35 Purple Rain. Apr 29 11:57:37 Warren Zevon, "Nobody's In Love This Year" Apr 29 11:57:38 "Love Hurts" might be the ur-ballad. Apr 29 11:57:50 (although I suspect that's just a parody power-ballad) Apr 29 11:57:56 Roxette? Apr 29 11:57:56 I've got a country cover of 'Purple Rain' somewhere... Apr 29 11:57:56 i guess Roxette is good expect for a few of their latest albums, their first 2 albums was great, they was never released in US or a band, not a diminutive form of roxor Apr 29 11:58:03 (Warren Zevon)++ Apr 29 11:58:17 DrForrester: Have you heard Dolly Parton's bluegrass version of "Stairway to Heaven"? Apr 29 11:58:23 Ratt, "Givin' Yourself Away" Apr 29 11:58:25 dagbrown: gimme! Apr 29 11:58:31 No, but I'd like to... Apr 29 11:58:32 Richie Sambora, "One Light Burning" Apr 29 11:58:36 * rjbs has the ABC "Stairways to Heaven" album if anyone wants it. Apr 29 11:58:37 Stryper, "Honestly" Apr 29 11:58:41 mendel++ # god DAMN, yeah Apr 29 11:58:41 Now where's a good place to put it. Apr 29 11:58:50 Racer X, "Sunlit Nights" Apr 29 11:58:53 rjbs: Got it here too. Apr 29 11:59:02 Masque: just stick mendel in a room with a pad of paper and a pencil for like 15 minutes and you'll have your list Apr 29 11:59:04 Thanks to gnat. Apr 29 11:59:16 Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" was vaguely power-ballad shaped, but... Apr 29 11:59:27 Pearl Jam's "Better Man" likewise. Apr 29 11:59:28 "Broken Wings"? Apr 29 11:59:30 dagbrown: I think it qualifies Apr 29 11:59:31 dagbrown: Yeah, I was just thinking of that and Stiltskin's Inside. Apr 29 11:59:42 dagbrown: Too late, I think. By that point power ballads had already been made fun of AND forgotten. Apr 29 11:59:47 Masque *did* ask for early 90's, too Apr 29 12:00:04 dagbrown: Better Man ruled. Apr 29 12:00:07 Simple Minds, "Don't you forget about me" Apr 29 12:00:11 mendel: no, SoundGarden *resurrected* the power ballad with BHS. Apr 29 12:00:13 oh! oh! Apr 29 12:00:15 The Logical Song Apr 29 12:00:16 Mister Big. Apr 29 12:00:22 Done that. Apr 29 12:00:23 I guess that wasn't really a /power/ ballad, though. Apr 29 12:00:24 rjbs: That whole album had awesome production, because they were working with Neil Young at the time. Apr 29 12:00:33 Almost Paradise - Mike Reno Apr 29 12:00:34 dagbrown: yeah. and you can tell. Apr 29 12:00:34 we already had it that way, rjbs Apr 29 12:00:38 The Logical Song, nah. Apr 29 12:00:47 I don't know if "Don't you forget about me" would count as "power" Apr 29 12:00:48 rjbs: Yeah, it has that awesome almost-live sound. Apr 29 12:00:56 Don't Know What You Got (Till It's Gone) - Cinderella Apr 29 12:01:13 Mr Big, "To Be With You" Apr 29 12:01:14 Fletch: Maybe, so long as you put it next to the rest of Simple Minds's oevre. Apr 29 12:01:21 true Apr 29 12:01:26 * lamech tries to think of one by WASP and fails Apr 29 12:01:28 Don't Close Your Eyes - Kix Apr 29 12:01:56 Burning Heart - Vandenberg Apr 29 12:02:08 (I thought I'd join in as everybody seems to be doing it!) Apr 29 12:02:19 * Fletch tries to imagine Cake doing a power ballad Apr 29 12:02:29 Eyes Without a Face - Billy Idol Apr 29 12:02:31 Hurgh, the only thing iTunes categorises as Power Ballad in my collection is Dmitris Zervoudaxis. Apr 29 12:02:43 Siouxsie must have done the occasional one. Apr 29 12:02:55 Amanda - Boston Apr 29 12:02:56 Fletch: Awwww yeaaaah....Loooooooove /hurts/ *bass riff, trumpet solo* Apr 29 12:03:16 I could see Ween doing one before Cake. Apr 29 12:03:25 Heck, I could see Ween doing an entire album of power ballads. Apr 29 12:03:26 This Could Be the Night - Loverboy Apr 29 12:03:29 Weezer :) Apr 29 12:03:36 Silent Lucidity? Apr 29 12:03:39 Loverboy's entire oeuvre. Apr 29 12:03:43 I mean, the NAME. Apr 29 12:03:53 * aef looks at the listing on his "Power Ballads" CD... Apr 29 12:04:28 House of Pain - Faster Pussycat Apr 29 12:04:29 Saigon Kick, "Love Is On the Way" Apr 29 12:04:51 November Rain, GnR Apr 29 12:05:01 Ballad of Jayne - L.A. Guns Apr 29 12:05:08 Even more Def. Apr 29 12:05:28 Even more Def? Apr 29 12:05:33 We're looping. Apr 29 12:05:36 Yes, "Love Will Find A Way" Apr 29 12:05:43 rjbs: Loads of Def Leppard tracks. Apr 29 12:05:49 right. Apr 29 12:05:54 * PerlJam notes that no one seems to have named a power ballad that was released in the last few years Apr 29 12:06:01 somebody subethaedit this list; let's find out how it scales... Apr 29 12:06:09 perljam: Well, the last few years were neither the 80s nor the early 90s. Apr 29 12:06:10 When I See You Smile - Bad English Apr 29 12:06:20 Ooh, that would be fun. Apr 29 12:06:37 We Belong - Pat Benatar Apr 29 12:06:56 Take Me Home Tonight - Eddie Money Apr 29 12:07:12 UFO, "Try Me" Apr 29 12:07:23 lathos: trying. Apr 29 12:07:28 Don't Forget Me (When I'm Gone) - Glass Tiger Apr 29 12:07:37 cwest: You need to /lastlog first :) Apr 29 12:08:01 damn yankees, "High Enough" Apr 29 12:08:12 April Wine, "Just Between You and Me" Apr 29 12:08:16 Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now - Starship Apr 29 12:08:18 dagbrown: We needa Helix one. Apr 29 12:08:19 Anything by Extreme or Firehouse. (Am I remembering those names right?) Apr 29 12:08:19 okay, I'm done. :-) Apr 29 12:08:52 Genesis's "Mama" might be a proto-power-ballad. Apr 29 12:09:15 Aerosmith, Living on the Edge Apr 29 12:09:28 Helix, (Make Me Do) Anything You Want Apr 29 12:09:37 although that was a cover Apr 29 12:10:16 Ok, that's enough of that. Apr 29 12:10:19 masque: Got enough? :)