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		<title>By: David Hustace</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/05/05/hyperic-zenoss/comment-page-1/#comment-60591</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hustace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikrodots:

Planned for 2009, yes.  Version 2.0.</description>
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<p>Planned for 2009, yes.  Version 2.0.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/05/05/hyperic-zenoss/comment-page-1/#comment-60589</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to throw one more system into the mix - http://www.logicmonitor.com/services/logicmonitor-hosted-monitoring-service/

Again, I work there, so 
How are we different?
- LogicMonitor is a hosted software-as-a-service, so startup time is trivial, always on latest features, no hardware cost, no install time, etc. (There is an agent that runs on a linux or windows host in your datacenter, but it basically acts as a clever proxy, and only makes outgoing SSL connections, so trivial to set up.)
- we focus on datacenter monitoring, more than internal IT.  So we have fabulous monitoring for things like Netscalers, NetApps, sql server, windows, linux, routers, etc. We do not (at the moment at least) cover printers, etc.
- monitoring for all datacenter devices is &#039;out of the box&#039; (or off the web). Just enter the hostname, and all attributes will be found (all VIPs on a load balancer; all volumes on a NetApp, etc.) And kept up to date with no configuration.
- Eliminating configuration is a big focus.  Any configuration that does need doing (for credentials, escalation policies, threshold, etc) is able to be done globally, on a group, host or instance (e.g. individual drive) level.
- there is a default monitor assumption, appropriate for datacenters. e.g. on a server running a database, typically about 100 datapoints will be plotted and/or alerted on, with no configuration. Intelligent thresholds that combine multiple datapoints mean there is not alert overload. Also intelligent filtering on discovery saves lots of time. (e.g. discover all  volumes with &#039;QA&#039; in their name into a different collection, with different thresholds and escalations, automatically, now and in future.)
- it&#039;s designed to report and monitor data most meangingful in datacenter environments. e.g. per Volume read and write latency and IO operations for NetApps; per Virtual IP requests and traffic on load balancers, etc.

So it&#039;s not free, but LogicMonitor will save you a lot of time over setting up open source systems, especially if you have a lot of changes in your systems and would have to keep modifying the monitoring.
And one nice thing about being hosted is that there is no expensive committment- you can elect to just monitor load balancers and storage arrays, say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to throw one more system into the mix &#8211; <a href="http://www.logicmonitor.com/services/logicmonitor-hosted-monitoring-service/" rel="nofollow">http://www.logicmonitor.com/services/logicmonitor-hosted-monitoring-service/</a></p>
<p>Again, I work there, so<br />
How are we different?<br />
- LogicMonitor is a hosted software-as-a-service, so startup time is trivial, always on latest features, no hardware cost, no install time, etc. (There is an agent that runs on a linux or windows host in your datacenter, but it basically acts as a clever proxy, and only makes outgoing SSL connections, so trivial to set up.)<br />
- we focus on datacenter monitoring, more than internal IT.  So we have fabulous monitoring for things like Netscalers, NetApps, sql server, windows, linux, routers, etc. We do not (at the moment at least) cover printers, etc.<br />
- monitoring for all datacenter devices is &#8216;out of the box&#8217; (or off the web). Just enter the hostname, and all attributes will be found (all VIPs on a load balancer; all volumes on a NetApp, etc.) And kept up to date with no configuration.<br />
- Eliminating configuration is a big focus.  Any configuration that does need doing (for credentials, escalation policies, threshold, etc) is able to be done globally, on a group, host or instance (e.g. individual drive) level.<br />
- there is a default monitor assumption, appropriate for datacenters. e.g. on a server running a database, typically about 100 datapoints will be plotted and/or alerted on, with no configuration. Intelligent thresholds that combine multiple datapoints mean there is not alert overload. Also intelligent filtering on discovery saves lots of time. (e.g. discover all  volumes with &#8216;QA&#8217; in their name into a different collection, with different thresholds and escalations, automatically, now and in future.)<br />
- it&#8217;s designed to report and monitor data most meangingful in datacenter environments. e.g. per Volume read and write latency and IO operations for NetApps; per Virtual IP requests and traffic on load balancers, etc.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not free, but LogicMonitor will save you a lot of time over setting up open source systems, especially if you have a lot of changes in your systems and would have to keep modifying the monitoring.<br />
And one nice thing about being hosted is that there is no expensive committment- you can elect to just monitor load balancers and storage arrays, say.</p>
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		<title>By: Network / System Monitoring Smorgasbord - Kyle Cordes</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/05/05/hyperic-zenoss/comment-page-1/#comment-57744</link>
		<dc:creator>Network / System Monitoring Smorgasbord - Kyle Cordes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mikrodots</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/05/05/hyperic-zenoss/comment-page-1/#comment-57149</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikrodots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Hustace, 
From reading the OpenNMS forums I know multi-tenancy is asked about for OpenNMS and that it is a major change to implement it. I thought I read it was on the list to be released this year.  

Is there an update on that schedule?

I really like the OpenNMS product - thanks for all the hard work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Hustace,<br />
From reading the OpenNMS forums I know multi-tenancy is asked about for OpenNMS and that it is a major change to implement it. I thought I read it was on the list to be released this year.  </p>
<p>Is there an update on that schedule?</p>
<p>I really like the OpenNMS product &#8211; thanks for all the hard work!</p>
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		<title>By: Mikrodots</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/05/05/hyperic-zenoss/comment-page-1/#comment-57148</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikrodots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane Cury, thanks for the sharing your research - I appreciate how you provided it in the Open Source spirit.  I learned quite a bit from it.  

I am curious if anyone else sees multi-tenancy as a big plus or minus for NMS systems.

I&#039;d like to hear more experiences with how these products compare with regards to distributed network monitoring and their usefulness in an MSP scenario.

I didn&#039;t consider Zenoss because of their business model of offering a stripped down product and then paid versions.  I&#039;d rather get the complete product and pay for expert support.  I&#039;d need to purchase the Zennoss Enterprise edition to get the Distributed Collector Package.  I may as well buy a fully commercial product. 

Couple of questions: Is there a reason (other than its impossible to review all products) that Zabbix didn&#039;t make the list - or get mentioned?
In your experience Is multi-tenancy not generally considered an important feature?

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Cury, thanks for the sharing your research &#8211; I appreciate how you provided it in the Open Source spirit.  I learned quite a bit from it.  </p>
<p>I am curious if anyone else sees multi-tenancy as a big plus or minus for NMS systems.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear more experiences with how these products compare with regards to distributed network monitoring and their usefulness in an MSP scenario.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t consider Zenoss because of their business model of offering a stripped down product and then paid versions.  I&#8217;d rather get the complete product and pay for expert support.  I&#8217;d need to purchase the Zennoss Enterprise edition to get the Distributed Collector Package.  I may as well buy a fully commercial product. </p>
<p>Couple of questions: Is there a reason (other than its impossible to review all products) that Zabbix didn&#8217;t make the list &#8211; or get mentioned?<br />
In your experience Is multi-tenancy not generally considered an important feature?</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Lopez</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/05/05/hyperic-zenoss/comment-page-1/#comment-57146</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Updates 1st: 

-- Zabbix 1.6 is out, had some problems with the install on CentOS 5.3 and will try again this next weak. So a demo and it looks great. Will let you know after my own test.

-- OpsView announced in its list it is releasing an update this coming Monday and announcing their V3 Road Map (based on Nagios 3). They also anounced they were acquired by Opsera.com.

Joselus, thanks for the info on Osmius. Wow an offering based on logical thinking and integration of business needs as well as technical needs, Refreshing!!! Installed and tested Osmius, very impressed by it. I will had kill for Zenoss to have at least a &quot;basic&quot; online capability of generating &quot;printable&quot; and HTML reports for Mangement and Decision Makers for their Zenoss Core like Osmius.

Osmius is awesome and the install is a breeze with the universal installer. The only thing I do not like is the fact that you need to do to much work to compile and setup the agents for the devices you will monitor. Peopleware should create an agent with setup for Windows and another for Linux like others has done for easy deployment.

If you are looking to monitor a lot of Windows servers then I will use Zenoss for now instead of Osmius due to their CMDB and easy of deployment of SNMP Informant. 

Oh yes, besides what you read on Jane&#039;s comparison paper or any other place about monitoring Agent-Less with Zenoss, it is not so for Windows. Zenoss recommends the free basic edition of SNMP Informant, since Zenoss can gather info natively from it like others do with their Agents. And it works great at getting all kind of WMI data from Windows!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Updates 1st: </p>
<p>&#8211; Zabbix 1.6 is out, had some problems with the install on CentOS 5.3 and will try again this next weak. So a demo and it looks great. Will let you know after my own test.</p>
<p>&#8211; OpsView announced in its list it is releasing an update this coming Monday and announcing their V3 Road Map (based on Nagios 3). They also anounced they were acquired by Opsera.com.</p>
<p>Joselus, thanks for the info on Osmius. Wow an offering based on logical thinking and integration of business needs as well as technical needs, Refreshing!!! Installed and tested Osmius, very impressed by it. I will had kill for Zenoss to have at least a &#8220;basic&#8221; online capability of generating &#8220;printable&#8221; and HTML reports for Mangement and Decision Makers for their Zenoss Core like Osmius.</p>
<p>Osmius is awesome and the install is a breeze with the universal installer. The only thing I do not like is the fact that you need to do to much work to compile and setup the agents for the devices you will monitor. Peopleware should create an agent with setup for Windows and another for Linux like others has done for easy deployment.</p>
<p>If you are looking to monitor a lot of Windows servers then I will use Zenoss for now instead of Osmius due to their CMDB and easy of deployment of SNMP Informant. </p>
<p>Oh yes, besides what you read on Jane&#8217;s comparison paper or any other place about monitoring Agent-Less with Zenoss, it is not so for Windows. Zenoss recommends the free basic edition of SNMP Informant, since Zenoss can gather info natively from it like others do with their Agents. And it works great at getting all kind of WMI data from Windows!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Lopez</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/05/05/hyperic-zenoss/comment-page-1/#comment-57145</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane Cury, good paper and podcast. I agree with your conclusion: Zenoss is a great tool only if they were more carefull with QA and testing for releases. I been testing v2.2.4 and it is working fine specially for Windows devices. 

Still problems with Google Maps, Locations, etc., due to coding of relations from Zope &quot;non-relational&quot; object DB. Hands down easiest setup of all the tools with the installer and modeling of Windows serves compared to any other OS solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Cury, good paper and podcast. I agree with your conclusion: Zenoss is a great tool only if they were more carefull with QA and testing for releases. I been testing v2.2.4 and it is working fine specially for Windows devices. </p>
<p>Still problems with Google Maps, Locations, etc., due to coding of relations from Zope &#8220;non-relational&#8221; object DB. Hands down easiest setup of all the tools with the installer and modeling of Windows serves compared to any other OS solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikrodots</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/05/05/hyperic-zenoss/comment-page-1/#comment-57097</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikrodots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using OpenNMS to monitor my clients&#039; routers and public services - SMTP, FTP, POP, HTTP, HTTPS etc. as well as our internal systems for about 8 months.

It works great for this up/down type of scenario - simple to set up and get the services monitored using discovery.  

The alerting and escalation works for us as well.

The downside is that OpenNMS is not multi-tenant (yet), so I can&#039;t use it to monitor their internal networks and have all the data available on one web console.

I tried Zabbix last year and dropped it.  It was difficult to set up and I prefer the agent-less model.  

That was Zabbix 1.2 I think; it looks like they are at 1.6 now.  They say they improved installation and their distributed monitoring model so it may time for another look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using OpenNMS to monitor my clients&#8217; routers and public services &#8211; SMTP, FTP, POP, HTTP, HTTPS etc. as well as our internal systems for about 8 months.</p>
<p>It works great for this up/down type of scenario &#8211; simple to set up and get the services monitored using discovery.  </p>
<p>The alerting and escalation works for us as well.</p>
<p>The downside is that OpenNMS is not multi-tenant (yet), so I can&#8217;t use it to monitor their internal networks and have all the data available on one web console.</p>
<p>I tried Zabbix last year and dropped it.  It was difficult to set up and I prefer the agent-less model.  </p>
<p>That was Zabbix 1.2 I think; it looks like they are at 1.6 now.  They say they improved installation and their distributed monitoring model so it may time for another look.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Curry</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/05/05/hyperic-zenoss/comment-page-1/#comment-56929</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have updated and finalised the open source management options paper comparing Nagios, OpenNMS and Zenoss, including some comments from contributors.  The final version is dated September 30th and is available at the same URL - http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/open_source_mgmt_options.pdf 

Cheers,
Jane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have updated and finalised the open source management options paper comparing Nagios, OpenNMS and Zenoss, including some comments from contributors.  The final version is dated September 30th and is available at the same URL &#8211; <a href="http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/open_source_mgmt_options.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.skills-1st.co.uk/papers/jane/open_source_mgmt_options.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Jane</p>
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		<title>By: Joselu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joselu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there!
I found the comparison document really interesting, but haven&#039;t you heard about Osmius?

Osmius is a Open Source Monitoring Tool prepared to monitor almost anything connected to a network. They have an Agent Development Framework, and the engine is build in C++ over ACE (so is real multiplatform and very, vaery fast).
The business view is already integrated using SLA and services in an easy way to understand.

There&#039;s a lot of work to do and it would be nice to receive your impressions and improvements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there!<br />
I found the comparison document really interesting, but haven&#8217;t you heard about Osmius?</p>
<p>Osmius is a Open Source Monitoring Tool prepared to monitor almost anything connected to a network. They have an Agent Development Framework, and the engine is build in C++ over ACE (so is real multiplatform and very, vaery fast).<br />
The business view is already integrated using SLA and services in an easy way to understand.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of work to do and it would be nice to receive your impressions and improvements.</p>
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