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	<title>Comments on: Credit-card numbers</title>
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		<title>By: karen2205</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2004/02/20/credit-card-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>karen2205</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm - I&#039;ve come across one place that requires you to enter credit card numbers in blocks of four digits. There were two problems with it - firstly the tab key didn&#039;t work to move between the boxes and they had separate screens for different types of cards.

Visa and Visa Delta (a Visa debit card rather than a credit card) had to be entered on different screens - cue me not realising this and spending an awfully long time trying to use the wrong one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm &#8211; I&#8217;ve come across one place that requires you to enter credit card numbers in blocks of four digits. There were two problems with it &#8211; firstly the tab key didn&#8217;t work to move between the boxes and they had separate screens for different types of cards.</p>
<p>Visa and Visa Delta (a Visa debit card rather than a credit card) had to be entered on different screens &#8211; cue me not realising this and spending an awfully long time trying to use the wrong one.</p>
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		<title>By: fweebles</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2004/02/20/credit-card-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>fweebles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, I remember that post.  As well as the CVS one.  I&#039;m sorry the Jazz scene in Ottawa sucks.  If you&#039;re ever in DC though, I&#039;ve got the hook-up for you.

We currently deal with a lot of small clubs in the DC-NY corridor, but we also have a couple of Big Names:  &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.bluesalley.com/&quot;&gt;Blues Alley&lt;/A&gt; on Wisconsin Ave. in DC, and &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.villagevanguard.com/&quot;&gt;The Village Vanguard&lt;/A&gt; in NYC.  The larger clubs that we do have, we&#039;ve gotten because they were upset with the way that TicketMaster does business (gouging, among other reasons).

If you do happen to be in a jazz club, whether it be big or small, let us know what your experiences are like.  We like input!  And if you want to point any business our way, well, :D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I remember that post.  As well as the CVS one.  I&#8217;m sorry the Jazz scene in Ottawa sucks.  If you&#8217;re ever in DC though, I&#8217;ve got the hook-up for you.</p>
<p>We currently deal with a lot of small clubs in the DC-NY corridor, but we also have a couple of Big Names:  <a HREF="http://www.bluesalley.com/">Blues Alley</a> on Wisconsin Ave. in DC, and <a HREF="http://www.villagevanguard.com/">The Village Vanguard</a> in NYC.  The larger clubs that we do have, we&#8217;ve gotten because they were upset with the way that TicketMaster does business (gouging, among other reasons).</p>
<p>If you do happen to be in a jazz club, whether it be big or small, let us know what your experiences are like.  We like input!  And if you want to point any business our way, well, :D.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2004/02/20/credit-card-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.livejournal.com/users/mendel/36983.html&quot;&gt;started&lt;/a&gt;.

Seriously, I think TicketMaster and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.capitaltickets.ca/&quot;&gt;CapitalTickets&lt;/a&gt; pretty much have a lock on the big to medium venues here; below that scale, it&#039;s a handful of music stores and venues&#039; own box offices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/mendel/36983.html">started</a>.</p>
<p>Seriously, I think TicketMaster and <a href="http://www.capitaltickets.ca/">CapitalTickets</a> pretty much have a lock on the big to medium venues here; below that scale, it&#8217;s a handful of music stores and venues&#8217; own box offices.</p>
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		<title>By: fweebles</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2004/02/20/credit-card-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1001</link>
		<dc:creator>fweebles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For over a year, &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.instantseats.com/&quot;&gt;InstantSeats&lt;/A&gt; has done exactly as you describe.  Not that I work there or anything. :)

(By the way, if you know of any jazz/supper clubs in Ottawa that need to sell tickets, we give commissions to people who find us venues. :D)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For over a year, <a HREF="http://www.instantseats.com/">InstantSeats</a> has done exactly as you describe.  Not that I work there or anything. :)</p>
<p>(By the way, if you know of any jazz/supper clubs in Ottawa that need to sell tickets, we give commissions to people who find us venues. :D)</p>
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		<title>By: pne</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2004/02/20/credit-card-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1000</link>
		<dc:creator>pne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graa. This is one feature that annoys me as well - not so much with credit card numbers but with bank account and bank sort code numbers (Bankleitzahlen, BLZ).

In Germany, many people pay with direct bank transfer; for example, when I buy something off eBay, in general they&#039;ll ask for money to be transferred to their bank account.

People typically give out their bank account number with spaces, and nearly always give out their bank sort code with spaces, since they have a fixed format: eight digits canonically presented as 123 456 78. (Each bank can choose the format for their bank account numbers, though.)

Yet my online banking form will only accept eight characters, so I can&#039;t copy-and-paste sort codes including spaces—the last two digits will be missing. I find this monumentally stupid as it&#039;s trivial on the programming end to discard spaces and then check for eight characters, and because it&#039;s so widespread to type the numbers as 123 456 78 rather than 12345678.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graa. This is one feature that annoys me as well &#8211; not so much with credit card numbers but with bank account and bank sort code numbers (Bankleitzahlen, BLZ).</p>
<p>In Germany, many people pay with direct bank transfer; for example, when I buy something off eBay, in general they&#8217;ll ask for money to be transferred to their bank account.</p>
<p>People typically give out their bank account number with spaces, and nearly always give out their bank sort code with spaces, since they have a fixed format: eight digits canonically presented as 123 456 78. (Each bank can choose the format for their bank account numbers, though.)</p>
<p>Yet my online banking form will only accept eight characters, so I can&#8217;t copy-and-paste sort codes including spaces—the last two digits will be missing. I find this monumentally stupid as it&#8217;s trivial on the programming end to discard spaces and then check for eight characters, and because it&#8217;s so widespread to type the numbers as 123 456 78 rather than 12345678.</p>
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		<title>By: euqsam</title>
		<link>http://www.lafferty.ca/2004/02/20/credit-card-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator>euqsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost always code number entry handling to strip all non-numeric characters before parsing further.  That way people can enter 920.555.1212 or 0111 3888 3888 5500 or whatever.  The objection I&#039;ve run into with this is, &quot;But we need to know how long to make the field!  If we let it be long enough to accept a number with spaces someone could accidentally enter too many numbers!&quot;  

To me, this is a silly argument.  There&#039;s no way to stop them from entering too FEW numbers and it&#039;s even more likely, I find, ESPECIALLY when you can&#039;t see the logical grouping as you can on the card.  Mumble.

I think it&#039;s more a case of management trying to make sure they don&#039;t upset anyone.  Isn&#039;t it interesting that such behavior almost always guarantees its own failure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost always code number entry handling to strip all non-numeric characters before parsing further.  That way people can enter 920.555.1212 or 0111 3888 3888 5500 or whatever.  The objection I&#8217;ve run into with this is, &#8220;But we need to know how long to make the field!  If we let it be long enough to accept a number with spaces someone could accidentally enter too many numbers!&#8221;  </p>
<p>To me, this is a silly argument.  There&#8217;s no way to stop them from entering too FEW numbers and it&#8217;s even more likely, I find, ESPECIALLY when you can&#8217;t see the logical grouping as you can on the card.  Mumble.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more a case of management trying to make sure they don&#8217;t upset anyone.  Isn&#8217;t it interesting that such behavior almost always guarantees its own failure?</p>
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